When we talk about infinite banking, it's a two-part question. First, is life insurance the right asset under certain assumptions? The answer is yes. The next question is, when should you use your policy loan?
There's no wrong answer here. Different experts may teach this differently, and that's okay. It's important for the industry to understand that you need not agree to be correct. Here's how I explain it: when you take a loan, you're doing so from the insurance company or a third party, not from yourself. This can make things more efficient. The cost of capital is essentially the interest rate the insurance company or third party charges. Let’s say that rate is 5%.
If you're taking a 5% loan to engage in a market activity, you need to ensure that activity earns more than the cost of capital. For instance, it wouldn’t make sense to pay off a mortgage at 5% if the mortgage rate is only 3%. However, if you have a debt at 7% and can pay 5%, that’s a 40% margin on your money. Or if you take a 5% loan to invest in something yielding 12%, that’s a 140% return on your money. Your funds remain in your policy, serving as leverage.
There are various explanations for how to use infinite banking. Some suggest running all expenses through the policy, but we view this as only the beginning. Step one is understanding the concept; step two is optimizing strategy for efficiency.
When borrowing in the beginning stages of your policy, it’s advisable not to take loans for anything less than a 10% return. Over time, as your policy matures, you can justify borrowing at lower rates. For high-interest debts, like 20% credit card debt, this strategy pays off.
Many investors don’t fully capitalize on their situation. Infinite Banking offers leverage and control by eliminating the traditional banks and working within your own policy.
An Example from Experience
My partner Darius and I have used policy loans for expenses before, but only when it made financial sense. For example, we once used a policy loan to pay off our rent for the year because it offered us a significant discount. We ended up making a 36% return on that transaction because of how the numbers worked out.
This experience underscores the importance of understanding both the process and the product to maximize returns.
Many people can't pay their rent in full upfront or don't think about doing so as a way to earn, but we realized a 36% savings by optimizing our cash flow through controlled capital.
The Importance of Financial Awareness
Understanding what's happening with your salary and income is crucial. Too often, people focus on investments without addressing financial leaks in other areas. We recommend using a process that allows you to retain more of your income. For instance, if you earn $100,000 a year, aim to save more over time by keeping more of what you make.
The goal is to achieve financial maximization and explore investment opportunities that generate cash flow. It's about understanding income differently and stopping financial bleeding before moving forward strategically.
Infinite banking is about optimizing your financial behavior and being disciplined. You might have a mathematically optimized strategy, but unless it is utilized, it cannot produce results.
In conclusion, understanding the nuances of infinite banking and life insurance can greatly enhance your financial strategy. It’s about creating opportunities to use controlled capital to your advantage while maintaining financial discipline.
Full Transcript
When we're talking about infant and banking, it's really a two-part question. Number one, is life insurance the right asset for these certain assumptions? Yes. The next question is, when should you use your policy loan? And so this is, and again, there's no wrong answer here. We may teach it differently. We may even disagree. And that's what I want the industry to see is like, it's like, you don't have to agree with me to be right or wrong. But how I teach it is, when you take a loan, you're not taking a loan from yourself, you're taking a loan from the insurance company or a third party. That's another strategy that can make things more efficient. And whatever that third party or that insurance company, whatever their cost of capital, that's what I call it in the insurance rate. So let's just say it's 5%. And I'm taking a 5% loan to then go make an activity. The way that we teach our clients is you better make sure that that activity is getting you a greater return than the cost of capital. So I wouldn't pay off a mortgage absolutely 3% at 5%. It's like, that you know, but at a 7% rate, if I have a debt at 7 and I'm able to pay a 5, that's a 40% on my money. Or if I'm able to take a 5% control cost and invest in a syndication where I'm earning 12, that's 140% on my money. My money's in my policy, but it's costing me it's a leverage point. So I want to hear how you guys explain it because there's a lot of different ways that people explain. I think some people are like, I should just buy, run my expenses through my policy. And that's another thing that I hear taught. And I'm like, man, we got to go deeper because I think some people don't think about how they use the policy and the math behind it. And as a result, it's that baby step number one, getting the concept, then the step number two is the actual strategy of efficiency. Yes. Yes. And I think I even say it so often to where Carmen was like, just stop saying it. Stop stop saying when you when you borrow from your policy, not borrowing from your policy, you're leveraging the insurance company's money to get along from them. And while your money sits there, that's exactly the way the way you said it is exactly the way we teach it. And also, even in the beginning, when you first start your policy, you don't want to borrow money from your policy and pay something less than 5%. Now you can do that much later. Much later, you can do that because of how much interest you're able to redirect back to yourselves that the years of working season, but in the beginning, what we tell what we recommend is when you borrow your money, only only leverage against something that is 10% or more. So 20% credit card debt. There you go. Boom. There you go. Perfect. Yeah. And literally, we don't want to be redundant. We say the exact same thing because it has to make sense. It doesn't make sense for you to get alone if you're not going to make money with it. And with the whole world of investing, we know that it's all about making money. It's all about leverage. So all we're doing is cutting out the bank, cutting out somebody, right? And when we're creating leverage for ourselves within our policy. So with the investing piece of things, I think it's important for people to know what you're doing when it comes to getting a loan and how you're paying it back and things like that. Darius and I have used policy loans for expenses and we've talked about it on our channel, but it had to make sense. Correct. And it was much later. Yeah. We've used the system so many over so many years. Yeah. Because we have one scenario, for example, where we even shared where we used a policy loan to pay off our rent for the year, but it was because we got a significant discount and how the numbers worked out. We were paying ourselves back with a greater return than what we would have paid. So we ended up making like 30% off of that deal. But it's because 36, 36% get it right. All right. Yeah. But it's because we understand how this process works. And so it has to make sense and you have to understand the process again, not just the product and how this all works. But the main thing again is just control and leverage. And but you guys just had a perfect point, a perfect, perfect point. You guys got to think outside the box. Majority of people can't even, they're not even a financial situation to pay for their rent all in full. Like that's not even an area that they can even pursue. But they might have hundreds of thousands of dollars tied up somewhere. Yeah. But what you guys were able to say is like, okay, if you just were able to save a 1% on your rent, you probably wouldn't do it. But you were able to save 36%. Which if I had my financial calculator out, that's that's an insane rate of return. What's cool is what kind of risk did you guys take on by doing that? Zero, zero. And when ourselves, we were the risk, right? And what you're going to live in that house regardless. Exactly. So no, like that's what's perfect is like you literally, a fish, I was going to make up a word, you literally optimize your current situation. Yeah. Made a crazy rate of return. Why? Because you had controlled capital. I'm sorry, Darius, you can go now. No, one thing I was going to say is sometimes we are a lot of times we don't realize we don't convert what we save into cash. Like for example, in this in this situation, what happened was we had cash cash in in a lot of situations is is very important. So when it came to our rent, we said, Hey, we have 12 months right now. So we can we can pay that. What kind of discount will we get? They said they'll give us a like two months and a half. Give us two months and a half. That's a savings that most people won't realize because they're like, Oh, I don't have to pay this. So I'm going to spend my money on something else. No, when it comes to the infinite banking, you pay yourself the same amount every single the entire 12 months as if they didn't give you a discount so you can actually realize that cash. And there's a ton of opportunities that are like that to where we can have access to cash and present that cash and get a discount. But we have to realize the savings or the discount that we we get. And that's just another way of being able to leverage this this tool of life insurance. Yeah. And if I make Caleb, I want to try to articulate what I'm what I'm thinking to make sure that we can hit this homework with the audience, right? But the the thing that I feel like a lot of practitioners miss and then maybe we're not even doing the the best job communicating this as well. But so many people are so focused on investing. And they don't know what's happening with their salary with the the ink, their their realized income that that they have access to. And they're so busy on what should I do with investing or this and that that they have no idea that they're bleeding, you know, from the opposite end. So what we try to at least get people to see is if you make $100,000 a year, how much do you have left over after 12 months? Zero, 10%, 20%, whatever it is, how much money of that capital do you have from from your income? And all we're trying to do is to create a teach you a process that's going to allow you to keep more of your money. Yeah, done. So yeah, so it's just it's just about now next year, can we keep 30, 40, 50% and then what are we doing with that money when it comes to investing and other opportunities to create cash flow? So it's just a different way of thinking about your your income, because we got to stop the bleeding and then put a tourniquet on it and then move forward. Look, the holes in our boat. Yeah, I like Darius's example better than your Yeah, a little bit graphic on my end. So I'll just I'll just say again, you said something very early that will probably be the title of this video of infinite banking doesn't work. And I'll just go back to the rent example. And I'm actually going to give Dave Ramsey a pat on the back here. So be ready. It's like, listen, if you guys were to use your infinite banking policy to get the discount, and then spend the difference. Congratulations, like you, your financial life and model isn't better off, you might have better memories spending, but you don't have more money. So that's what's very, very important. The same thing about paying off your house, like kind of deal, it's like, all right, like, you could pay off your house, like, and you could behave your wise could bankrupt yourself kind of deal. Or you could have a loan. And as a result, you're not saving the difference. And so it's just one of those things where it behavior has so much to do with whatever strategies we do. And it comes down to the discipline. And so it's one thing being mathematically correct, which I tend to default towards I am more with you, Darius from a standpoint, if like, I need to know the math, it's got to make sense. But at the end of the day, we could be the ultimate losers if we're we have the most mathematical, making sense policy and strategy that no one does. And so as a result, you might have the most efficient plan that you're not utilizing, which makes it not optimized. And you might be super efficient with your 5% savings, whereas, you know, you could be saving 25, if you just start rethinking and create discipline in some areas that maybe off limits for some people that are teaching money. |